[Juser] Google Jabber servers

[Roberto Jung Drebes]

Many of you should already know that, but Google has Jabber servers
for everyone with a GMail account running at talk.google.com. The
service is still unanounced, so we don't know what to expect of it.

Interesting anyway.

[Williams, Kevin C]

Yes, I logged in an got a message that said "Yep, we're here".

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:13 PM
To: Jabber end-user discussion list
Subject: [Juser] Google Jabber servers
Many of you should already know that, but Google has Jabber
servers for everyone with a GMail account running at
talk.google.com. The service is still unanounced, so we don't
know what to expect of it.
Interesting anyway.
--
Brasil http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/
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[Shane Knysh]

Greetings,

Post by Williams, Kevin C
Yes, I logged in an got a message that said "Yep, we're here".

How do you log in?

-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
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shane.knysh at YonerDotCom http://churchofthegame.blogspot.com/

"If you try and take a cat apart to see how it works,
the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat."
- Douglas Adams

[Roberto Jung Drebes]

Post by Shane Knysh
Greetings,

Post by Williams, Kevin C
Yes, I logged in an got a message that said "Yep, we're here".

How do you log in?

With your gmail address as ID, and password.

No SSL supported.

[Matt Warden]

Post by Shane Knysh
Greetings,

Post by Williams, Kevin C
Yes, I logged in an got a message that said "Yep, we're here".

How do you log in?

This is for gaim. Other clients are less confusing:

screenname: whatever (for a gmail account of ***@gmail.com)
server: gmail.com

click advanced options
check "TLS"
uncheck others
ensure port of 5222
set server to talk.google.com

hth,


- --
Matt Warden
Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
http://mattwarden.com


This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.

[Zhong Li]

Talk.Google.com is used only when you create Socket connection. After that, real
domain is gmail.com, it also use Session Bind, so JID will be
***@gmail.com/WebJabber+SessionID

I will wait until end of today. If nothing changed, I will update WebJabber site.

Also, if you have a local Jabber Client, you can set a host for gmail.com, set
IP same as talk.google.com(216.239.37.125), then you use email name as node,
gmail.com as server. This is easy way to handle it.

[Roberto Jung Drebes]

Altough Google Talk (which was announced, finally) doesn't support
s2s connections now, they want to include federated services in the
future.

http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html

I think they are getting the idea of openness of Jabber. :)

[]s

[Rene Bartosh]

Hopefully they will, being able to interoperate will hugely increase
the number of contactable people and hence the popularity :)

Rene

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
Altough Google Talk (which was announced, finally) doesn't support
s2s connections now, they want to include federated services in the
future.
http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html
I think they are getting the idea of openness of Jabber. :)
[]s
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http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/
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[Rene Bartosh]

Hopefully they will, being able to interoperate will hugely increase
the number of contactable people and hence the popularity :)

Rene

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
Altough Google Talk (which was announced, finally) doesn't support
s2s connections now, they want to include federated services in the
future.
http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html
I think they are getting the idea of openness of Jabber. :)
[]s
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Porto Alegre, RS - Brasil
http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/
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[Rene Bartosh]

Hopefully they will, being able to interoperate will hugely increase
the number of contactable people and hence the popularity :)

Rene

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
Altough Google Talk (which was announced, finally) doesn't support
s2s connections now, they want to include federated services in the
future.
http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html
I think they are getting the idea of openness of Jabber. :)
[]s
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Porto Alegre, RS - Brasil
http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/
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[Roberto Jung Drebes]

Altough Google Talk (which was announced, finally) doesn't support
s2s connections now, they want to include federated services in the
future.

http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html

I think they are getting the idea of openness of Jabber. :)

[]s

[Roberto Jung Drebes]

Altough Google Talk (which was announced, finally) doesn't support
s2s connections now, they want to include federated services in the
future.

http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html

I think they are getting the idea of openness of Jabber. :)

[]s

[Marvin Preuss]

On 8/24/05, Matt Warden <***@gmail.com> wrote:

hi,

Post by Matt Warden
server: gmail.com
click advanced options
check "TLS"
uncheck others
ensure port of 5222
set server to talk.google.com

i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

[Eduardo Pereira Habkost]

Post by Marvin Preuss
hi,

Post by Matt Warden
server: gmail.com
click advanced options
check "TLS"
uncheck others
ensure port of 5222
set server to talk.google.com

i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

It worked on Kopete here, choosing SSL and port 5223 (not 5222).

[Luiz Pimenta]

Post by Eduardo Pereira Habkost

Post by Marvin Preuss
i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

It worked on Kopete here, choosing SSL and port 5223 (not 5222).

did anyone try Miranda for Windows, does it work?

i could not login to Google Talk with it :^/

-
Luiz

[gerardo roig]

talk.google.com using miranda IM:
Loading Image...

Post by Luiz Pimenta

Post by Eduardo Pereira Habkost

Post by Marvin Preuss
i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

It worked on Kopete here, choosing SSL and port 5223 (not 5222).

did anyone try Miranda for Windows, does it work?
i could not login to Google Talk with it :^/
-
Luiz
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[Hal Rottenberg]

Psi instructions are here:

http://psi-im.org/wiki/Google_Talk_HowTo

Post by Luiz Pimenta

Post by Eduardo Pereira Habkost

Post by Marvin Preuss
i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

It worked on Kopete here, choosing SSL and port 5223 (not 5222).

did anyone try Miranda for Windows, does it work?
i could not login to Google Talk with it :^/
-
Luiz
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[Michael Vang]

Post by Hal Rottenberg
http://psi-im.org/wiki/Google_Talk_HowTo

Make sure you have qca-tls installed or it will not work... In Debian
this is a recommended package but it is not installed by default...

[harm ybing]

Op vrijdag 26 augustus 2005 17:01, schreef Michael Vang:
I like to make an account and the page ask me to click the psi symbol in he
bottom left corner, but there is no any symbol in the bottom left so what's
left? there is an example in the right corner but thats just a picture

Henk

[edit]

Account Setup


click the Psi symbol in the bottom-left corner
select 'Account Setup.'

file:/home/henk/Desktop/Image:Gt-menu.png

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
Google

[Hal Rottenberg]

We can help you off-list. See the forum or development mailing list
here: http://psi.affinix.com. Also be sure to go to the wiki there
are more screenshots.

thanks

Post by harm ybing
I like to make an account and the page ask me to click the psi symbol in he
bottom left corner, but there is no any symbol in the bottom left so what's
left? there is an example in the right corner but thats just a picture

[Hal Rottenberg]

We can help you off-list. See the forum or development mailing list
here: http://psi.affinix.com. Also be sure to go to the wiki there
are more screenshots.

thanks

Post by harm ybing
I like to make an account and the page ask me to click the psi symbol in he
bottom left corner, but there is no any symbol in the bottom left so what's
left? there is an example in the right corner but thats just a picture

[Hal Rottenberg]

We can help you off-list. See the forum or development mailing list
here: http://psi.affinix.com. Also be sure to go to the wiki there
are more screenshots.

thanks

Post by harm ybing
I like to make an account and the page ask me to click the psi symbol in he
bottom left corner, but there is no any symbol in the bottom left so what's
left? there is an example in the right corner but thats just a picture

[harm ybing]

Op vrijdag 26 augustus 2005 17:01, schreef Michael Vang:
I like to make an account and the page ask me to click the psi symbol in he
bottom left corner, but there is no any symbol in the bottom left so what's
left? there is an example in the right corner but thats just a picture

Henk

[edit]

Account Setup


click the Psi symbol in the bottom-left corner
select 'Account Setup.'

file:/home/henk/Desktop/Image:Gt-menu.png

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
Google

[harm ybing]

Op vrijdag 26 augustus 2005 17:01, schreef Michael Vang:
I like to make an account and the page ask me to click the psi symbol in he
bottom left corner, but there is no any symbol in the bottom left so what's
left? there is an example in the right corner but thats just a picture

Henk

[edit]

Account Setup


click the Psi symbol in the bottom-left corner
select 'Account Setup.'

file:/home/henk/Desktop/Image:Gt-menu.png

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
Google

[Michael Vang]

Post by Hal Rottenberg
http://psi-im.org/wiki/Google_Talk_HowTo

Make sure you have qca-tls installed or it will not work... In Debian
this is a recommended package but it is not installed by default...

[Michael Vang]

Post by Hal Rottenberg
http://psi-im.org/wiki/Google_Talk_HowTo

Make sure you have qca-tls installed or it will not work... In Debian
this is a recommended package but it is not installed by default...

[gerardo roig]

talk.google.com using miranda IM:
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/6938/mirandagooglejabber3wt.png

Post by Luiz Pimenta

Post by Eduardo Pereira Habkost

Post by Marvin Preuss
i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

It worked on Kopete here, choosing SSL and port 5223 (not 5222).

did anyone try Miranda for Windows, does it work?
i could not login to Google Talk with it :^/
-
Luiz
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[Hal Rottenberg]

Psi instructions are here:

http://psi-im.org/wiki/Google_Talk_HowTo

Post by Luiz Pimenta

Post by Eduardo Pereira Habkost

Post by Marvin Preuss
i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

It worked on Kopete here, choosing SSL and port 5223 (not 5222).

did anyone try Miranda for Windows, does it work?
i could not login to Google Talk with it :^/
-
Luiz
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[gerardo roig]

talk.google.com using miranda IM:
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/6938/mirandagooglejabber3wt.png

Post by Luiz Pimenta

Post by Eduardo Pereira Habkost

Post by Marvin Preuss
i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

It worked on Kopete here, choosing SSL and port 5223 (not 5222).

did anyone try Miranda for Windows, does it work?
i could not login to Google Talk with it :^/
-
Luiz
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[Hal Rottenberg]

Psi instructions are here:

http://psi-im.org/wiki/Google_Talk_HowTo

Post by Luiz Pimenta

Post by Eduardo Pereira Habkost

Post by Marvin Preuss
i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

It worked on Kopete here, choosing SSL and port 5223 (not 5222).

did anyone try Miranda for Windows, does it work?
i could not login to Google Talk with it :^/
-
Luiz
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[Luiz Pimenta]

Post by Eduardo Pereira Habkost

Post by Marvin Preuss
i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

It worked on Kopete here, choosing SSL and port 5223 (not 5222).

did anyone try Miranda for Windows, does it work?

i could not login to Google Talk with it :^/

-
Luiz

[Luiz Pimenta]

Post by Eduardo Pereira Habkost

Post by Marvin Preuss
i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

It worked on Kopete here, choosing SSL and port 5223 (not 5222).

did anyone try Miranda for Windows, does it work?

i could not login to Google Talk with it :^/

-
Luiz

[Eduardo Pereira Habkost]

Post by Marvin Preuss
hi,

Post by Matt Warden
screenname: whatever (for a gmail account of whatever at gmail.com)
server: gmail.com
click advanced options
check "TLS"
uncheck others
ensure port of 5222
set server to talk.google.com

i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

It worked on Kopete here, choosing SSL and port 5223 (not 5222).

[Eduardo Pereira Habkost]

Post by Marvin Preuss
hi,

Post by Matt Warden
screenname: whatever (for a gmail account of whatever at gmail.com)
server: gmail.com
click advanced options
check "TLS"
uncheck others
ensure port of 5222
set server to talk.google.com

i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

It worked on Kopete here, choosing SSL and port 5223 (not 5222).

[Zhong Li]

Talk.Google.com is used only when you create Socket connection. After that, real
domain is gmail.com, it also use Session Bind, so JID will be
webjabber at gmail.com/WebJabber+SessionID

I will wait until end of today. If nothing changed, I will update WebJabber site.

Also, if you have a local Jabber Client, you can set a host for gmail.com, set
IP same as talk.google.com(216.239.37.125), then you use email name as node,
gmail.com as server. This is easy way to handle it.

[Marvin Preuss]

On 8/24/05, Matt Warden <mwarden at gmail.com> wrote:

hi,

Post by Matt Warden
screenname: whatever (for a gmail account of whatever at gmail.com)
server: gmail.com
click advanced options
check "TLS"
uncheck others
ensure port of 5222
set server to talk.google.com

i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

[Zhong Li]

Talk.Google.com is used only when you create Socket connection. After that, real
domain is gmail.com, it also use Session Bind, so JID will be
webjabber at gmail.com/WebJabber+SessionID

I will wait until end of today. If nothing changed, I will update WebJabber site.

Also, if you have a local Jabber Client, you can set a host for gmail.com, set
IP same as talk.google.com(216.239.37.125), then you use email name as node,
gmail.com as server. This is easy way to handle it.

[Marvin Preuss]

On 8/24/05, Matt Warden <mwarden at gmail.com> wrote:

hi,

Post by Matt Warden
screenname: whatever (for a gmail account of whatever at gmail.com)
server: gmail.com
click advanced options
check "TLS"
uncheck others
ensure port of 5222
set server to talk.google.com

i have no luck with that at all....with the original client i can
connect but not with this one...does anybody use gaim in here?
any help is welcome

[Roberto Jung Drebes]

Post by Shane Knysh
Greetings,

Post by Williams, Kevin C
Yes, I logged in an got a message that said "Yep, we're here".

How do you log in?

With your gmail address as ID, and password.

No SSL supported.

[Matt Warden]

Post by Shane Knysh
Greetings,

Post by Williams, Kevin C
Yes, I logged in an got a message that said "Yep, we're here".

How do you log in?

This is for gaim. Other clients are less confusing:

screenname: whatever (for a gmail account of whatever at gmail.com)
server: gmail.com

click advanced options
check "TLS"
uncheck others
ensure port of 5222
set server to talk.google.com

hth,


- --
Matt Warden
Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
http://mattwarden.com


This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.

[Roberto Jung Drebes]

Post by Shane Knysh
Greetings,

Post by Williams, Kevin C
Yes, I logged in an got a message that said "Yep, we're here".

How do you log in?

With your gmail address as ID, and password.

No SSL supported.

[Matt Warden]

Post by Shane Knysh
Greetings,

Post by Williams, Kevin C
Yes, I logged in an got a message that said "Yep, we're here".

How do you log in?

This is for gaim. Other clients are less confusing:

screenname: whatever (for a gmail account of whatever at gmail.com)
server: gmail.com

click advanced options
check "TLS"
uncheck others
ensure port of 5222
set server to talk.google.com

hth,


- --
Matt Warden
Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
http://mattwarden.com


This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.

[Shane Knysh]

Greetings,

Post by Williams, Kevin C
Yes, I logged in an got a message that said "Yep, we're here".

How do you log in?

-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Shane
shane.knysh at YonerDotCom http://churchofthegame.blogspot.com/

"If you try and take a cat apart to see how it works,
the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat."
- Douglas Adams

[Shane Knysh]

Greetings,

Post by Williams, Kevin C
Yes, I logged in an got a message that said "Yep, we're here".

How do you log in?

-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Shane
shane.knysh at YonerDotCom http://churchofthegame.blogspot.com/

"If you try and take a cat apart to see how it works,
the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat."
- Douglas Adams

[Williams, Kevin C]

I'm not familiar with the federation concept of jabber. It sounds like
it would allow other jabber servers to communicate with each other
allowing user1 from server1 to communicate with user2 on server2? If
so, are there efforts to allow for federation between jabber and
non-jabber messaging systems such as yahoo!, msn AND AIM?

-Kevin

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:27 PM
To: Jabber end-user discussion list
Subject: Re: Federation: (was: Re: [Juser] Re: Google Jabber servers)
Hopefully they will, being able to interoperate will hugely
increase the number of contactable people and hence the popularity :)
Rene

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
Altough Google Talk (which was announced, finally) doesn't

support s2s

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
connections now, they want to include federated services in the
future.
http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html
I think they are getting the idea of openness of Jabber. :)
[]s
--
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[Hal Rottenberg]

Kevin,

I would start here:

http://www.jabber.org/about/overview.shtml

Post by Williams, Kevin C
I'm not familiar with the federation concept of jabber. It sounds like
it would allow other jabber servers to communicate with each other
allowing user1 from server1 to communicate with user2 on server2? If
so, are there efforts to allow for federation between jabber and
non-jabber messaging systems such as yahoo!, msn AND AIM?
-Kevin

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:27 PM
To: Jabber end-user discussion list
Subject: Re: Federation: (was: Re: [Juser] Re: Google Jabber servers)
Hopefully they will, being able to interoperate will hugely
increase the number of contactable people and hence the popularity :)
Rene

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
Altough Google Talk (which was announced, finally) doesn't

support s2s

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
connections now, they want to include federated services in the
future.
http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html
I think they are getting the idea of openness of Jabber. :)
[]s
--
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[Peter Saint-Andre]

Post by Williams, Kevin C
I'm not familiar with the federation concept of jabber. It sounds like
it would allow other jabber servers to communicate with each other
allowing user1 from server1 to communicate with user2 on server2? If
so, are there efforts to allow for federation between jabber and
non-jabber messaging systems such as yahoo!, msn AND AIM?

Jabber is essentially just like email (except it is more secure because
you can't fake your from address etc.). Just as on email I
(***@jabber.org) can send a message to you (we'll call you
***@boeing.com), so on Jabber I (also ***@jabber.org) can send a
message to most anyone who has a Jabber account (e.g., perhaps also
***@boeing.com), unless their domain (e.g., boeing.com) does not allow
what we call "server to server" connections. Right now, Google Talk does
not have server to server functionality turned on (in fact I don't even
think they've coded it up yet), so their service is not "federated" with
the rest of the network. Eventually it will (we hope), but not yet.

As to Yahoo, MSN, and AIM -- we've been working on that for the last 6
years by trying to make the Jabber/XMPP network larger and larger,
getting big companies to adopt our technology, etc. I've written about
it recently here (scroll down to the end):

http://www.jabber.org/journal/2005-08-24.shtml

Hope that helps,

Peter

[Hal Rottenberg]

Kevin,

I would start here:

http://www.jabber.org/about/overview.shtml

Post by Williams, Kevin C
I'm not familiar with the federation concept of jabber. It sounds like
it would allow other jabber servers to communicate with each other
allowing user1 from server1 to communicate with user2 on server2? If
so, are there efforts to allow for federation between jabber and
non-jabber messaging systems such as yahoo!, msn AND AIM?
-Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Rene Bartosh [mailto:kirjava at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:27 PM
To: Jabber end-user discussion list
Subject: Re: Federation: (was: Re: [Juser] Re: Google Jabber servers)
Hopefully they will, being able to interoperate will hugely
increase the number of contactable people and hence the popularity :)
Rene

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
Altough Google Talk (which was announced, finally) doesn't

support s2s

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
connections now, they want to include federated services in the
future.
http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html
I think they are getting the idea of openness of Jabber. :)
[]s
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[Peter Saint-Andre]

Post by Williams, Kevin C
I'm not familiar with the federation concept of jabber. It sounds like
it would allow other jabber servers to communicate with each other
allowing user1 from server1 to communicate with user2 on server2? If
so, are there efforts to allow for federation between jabber and
non-jabber messaging systems such as yahoo!, msn AND AIM?

Jabber is essentially just like email (except it is more secure because
you can't fake your from address etc.). Just as on email I
(stpeter at jabber.org) can send a message to you (we'll call you
kevin at boeing.com), so on Jabber I (also stpeter at jabber.org) can send a
message to most anyone who has a Jabber account (e.g., perhaps also
kevin at boeing.com), unless their domain (e.g., boeing.com) does not allow
what we call "server to server" connections. Right now, Google Talk does
not have server to server functionality turned on (in fact I don't even
think they've coded it up yet), so their service is not "federated" with
the rest of the network. Eventually it will (we hope), but not yet.

As to Yahoo, MSN, and AIM -- we've been working on that for the last 6
years by trying to make the Jabber/XMPP network larger and larger,
getting big companies to adopt our technology, etc. I've written about
it recently here (scroll down to the end):

http://www.jabber.org/journal/2005-08-24.shtml

Hope that helps,

Peter

[Hal Rottenberg]

Kevin,

I would start here:

http://www.jabber.org/about/overview.shtml

Post by Williams, Kevin C
I'm not familiar with the federation concept of jabber. It sounds like
it would allow other jabber servers to communicate with each other
allowing user1 from server1 to communicate with user2 on server2? If
so, are there efforts to allow for federation between jabber and
non-jabber messaging systems such as yahoo!, msn AND AIM?
-Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Rene Bartosh [mailto:kirjava at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:27 PM
To: Jabber end-user discussion list
Subject: Re: Federation: (was: Re: [Juser] Re: Google Jabber servers)
Hopefully they will, being able to interoperate will hugely
increase the number of contactable people and hence the popularity :)
Rene

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
Altough Google Talk (which was announced, finally) doesn't

support s2s

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
connections now, they want to include federated services in the
future.
http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html
I think they are getting the idea of openness of Jabber. :)
[]s
--
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http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/
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[Peter Saint-Andre]

Post by Williams, Kevin C
I'm not familiar with the federation concept of jabber. It sounds like
it would allow other jabber servers to communicate with each other
allowing user1 from server1 to communicate with user2 on server2? If
so, are there efforts to allow for federation between jabber and
non-jabber messaging systems such as yahoo!, msn AND AIM?

Jabber is essentially just like email (except it is more secure because
you can't fake your from address etc.). Just as on email I
(stpeter at jabber.org) can send a message to you (we'll call you
kevin at boeing.com), so on Jabber I (also stpeter at jabber.org) can send a
message to most anyone who has a Jabber account (e.g., perhaps also
kevin at boeing.com), unless their domain (e.g., boeing.com) does not allow
what we call "server to server" connections. Right now, Google Talk does
not have server to server functionality turned on (in fact I don't even
think they've coded it up yet), so their service is not "federated" with
the rest of the network. Eventually it will (we hope), but not yet.

As to Yahoo, MSN, and AIM -- we've been working on that for the last 6
years by trying to make the Jabber/XMPP network larger and larger,
getting big companies to adopt our technology, etc. I've written about
it recently here (scroll down to the end):

http://www.jabber.org/journal/2005-08-24.shtml

Hope that helps,

Peter

[Williams, Kevin C]

I wish Boeing would adopt jabber :). We do have jabber in SoSCOE which
is an army product but not as an enterprise IM tool. Instead we have
Microsoft Messenger using the RVP protocol :(

Thanks for the explanation Peter.

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:07 PM
To: Jabber end-user discussion list
Subject: Re: Federation: (was: Re: [Juser] Re: Google Jabber servers)

Post by Williams, Kevin C
I'm not familiar with the federation concept of jabber. It sounds
like it would allow other jabber servers to communicate with each
other allowing user1 from server1 to communicate with user2 on
server2? If so, are there efforts to allow for federation between
jabber and non-jabber messaging systems such as yahoo!, msn AND AIM?

Jabber is essentially just like email (except it is more
secure because you can't fake your from address etc.). Just
as on email I
unless their domain (e.g., boeing.com) does not allow what we
call "server to server" connections. Right now, Google Talk
does not have server to server functionality turned on (in
fact I don't even think they've coded it up yet), so their
service is not "federated" with the rest of the network.
Eventually it will (we hope), but not yet.
As to Yahoo, MSN, and AIM -- we've been working on that for
the last 6 years by trying to make the Jabber/XMPP network
larger and larger, getting big companies to adopt our
technology, etc. I've written about it recently here (scroll
http://www.jabber.org/journal/2005-08-24.shtml
Hope that helps,
Peter
--
Peter Saint-Andre
Jabber Software Foundation
http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.shtml

[Roberto Jung Drebes]

Many of you should already know that, but Google has Jabber servers
for everyone with a GMail account running at talk.google.com. The
service is still unanounced, so we don't know what to expect of it.

Interesting anyway.

[Williams, Kevin C]

Yes, I logged in an got a message that said "Yep, we're here".

-----Original Message-----
From: Roberto Jung Drebes [mailto:drebes at inf.ufrgs.br]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:13 PM
To: Jabber end-user discussion list
Subject: [Juser] Google Jabber servers
Many of you should already know that, but Google has Jabber
servers for everyone with a GMail account running at
talk.google.com. The service is still unanounced, so we don't
know what to expect of it.
Interesting anyway.
--
Roberto Jung Drebes <drebes at inf.ufrgs.br> Porto Alegre, RS -
Brasil http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/
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[Williams, Kevin C]

I'm not familiar with the federation concept of jabber. It sounds like
it would allow other jabber servers to communicate with each other
allowing user1 from server1 to communicate with user2 on server2? If
so, are there efforts to allow for federation between jabber and
non-jabber messaging systems such as yahoo!, msn AND AIM?

-Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Rene Bartosh [mailto:kirjava at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:27 PM
To: Jabber end-user discussion list
Subject: Re: Federation: (was: Re: [Juser] Re: Google Jabber servers)
Hopefully they will, being able to interoperate will hugely
increase the number of contactable people and hence the popularity :)
Rene

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
Altough Google Talk (which was announced, finally) doesn't

support s2s

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
connections now, they want to include federated services in the
future.
http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html
I think they are getting the idea of openness of Jabber. :)
[]s
--
Roberto Jung Drebes <drebes at inf.ufrgs.br> Porto Alegre, RS - Brasil
http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/
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Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/
Work: http://eksion.net/
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[Williams, Kevin C]

I wish Boeing would adopt jabber :). We do have jabber in SoSCOE which
is an army product but not as an enterprise IM tool. Instead we have
Microsoft Messenger using the RVP protocol :(

Thanks for the explanation Peter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Saint-Andre [mailto:stpeter at jabber.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:07 PM
To: Jabber end-user discussion list
Subject: Re: Federation: (was: Re: [Juser] Re: Google Jabber servers)

Post by Williams, Kevin C
I'm not familiar with the federation concept of jabber. It sounds
like it would allow other jabber servers to communicate with each
other allowing user1 from server1 to communicate with user2 on
server2? If so, are there efforts to allow for federation between
jabber and non-jabber messaging systems such as yahoo!, msn AND AIM?

Jabber is essentially just like email (except it is more
secure because you can't fake your from address etc.). Just
as on email I
(stpeter at jabber.org) can send a message to you (we'll call
you kevin at boeing.com), so on Jabber I (also
stpeter at jabber.org) can send a message to most anyone who has
a Jabber account (e.g., perhaps also kevin at boeing.com),
unless their domain (e.g., boeing.com) does not allow what we
call "server to server" connections. Right now, Google Talk
does not have server to server functionality turned on (in
fact I don't even think they've coded it up yet), so their
service is not "federated" with the rest of the network.
Eventually it will (we hope), but not yet.
As to Yahoo, MSN, and AIM -- we've been working on that for
the last 6 years by trying to make the Jabber/XMPP network
larger and larger, getting big companies to adopt our
technology, etc. I've written about it recently here (scroll
http://www.jabber.org/journal/2005-08-24.shtml
Hope that helps,
Peter
--
Peter Saint-Andre
Jabber Software Foundation
http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.shtml

[Roberto Jung Drebes]

Many of you should already know that, but Google has Jabber servers
for everyone with a GMail account running at talk.google.com. The
service is still unanounced, so we don't know what to expect of it.

Interesting anyway.

[Williams, Kevin C]

Yes, I logged in an got a message that said "Yep, we're here".

-----Original Message-----
From: Roberto Jung Drebes [mailto:drebes at inf.ufrgs.br]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:13 PM
To: Jabber end-user discussion list
Subject: [Juser] Google Jabber servers
Many of you should already know that, but Google has Jabber
servers for everyone with a GMail account running at
talk.google.com. The service is still unanounced, so we don't
know what to expect of it.
Interesting anyway.
--
Roberto Jung Drebes <drebes at inf.ufrgs.br> Porto Alegre, RS -
Brasil http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/
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[Williams, Kevin C]

I'm not familiar with the federation concept of jabber. It sounds like
it would allow other jabber servers to communicate with each other
allowing user1 from server1 to communicate with user2 on server2? If
so, are there efforts to allow for federation between jabber and
non-jabber messaging systems such as yahoo!, msn AND AIM?

-Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Rene Bartosh [mailto:kirjava at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:27 PM
To: Jabber end-user discussion list
Subject: Re: Federation: (was: Re: [Juser] Re: Google Jabber servers)
Hopefully they will, being able to interoperate will hugely
increase the number of contactable people and hence the popularity :)
Rene

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
Altough Google Talk (which was announced, finally) doesn't

support s2s

Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
connections now, they want to include federated services in the
future.
http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html
I think they are getting the idea of openness of Jabber. :)
[]s
--
Roberto Jung Drebes <drebes at inf.ufrgs.br> Porto Alegre, RS - Brasil
http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/
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Post by Roberto Jung Drebes
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Personal: http://kirjava.net.nz/
Work: http://eksion.net/
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[Williams, Kevin C]

I wish Boeing would adopt jabber :). We do have jabber in SoSCOE which
is an army product but not as an enterprise IM tool. Instead we have
Microsoft Messenger using the RVP protocol :(

Thanks for the explanation Peter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Saint-Andre [mailto:stpeter at jabber.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:07 PM
To: Jabber end-user discussion list
Subject: Re: Federation: (was: Re: [Juser] Re: Google Jabber servers)

Post by Williams, Kevin C
I'm not familiar with the federation concept of jabber. It sounds
like it would allow other jabber servers to communicate with each
other allowing user1 from server1 to communicate with user2 on
server2? If so, are there efforts to allow for federation between
jabber and non-jabber messaging systems such as yahoo!, msn AND AIM?

Jabber is essentially just like email (except it is more
secure because you can't fake your from address etc.). Just
as on email I
(stpeter at jabber.org) can send a message to you (we'll call
you kevin at boeing.com), so on Jabber I (also
stpeter at jabber.org) can send a message to most anyone who has
a Jabber account (e.g., perhaps also kevin at boeing.com),
unless their domain (e.g., boeing.com) does not allow what we
call "server to server" connections. Right now, Google Talk
does not have server to server functionality turned on (in
fact I don't even think they've coded it up yet), so their
service is not "federated" with the rest of the network.
Eventually it will (we hope), but not yet.
As to Yahoo, MSN, and AIM -- we've been working on that for
the last 6 years by trying to make the Jabber/XMPP network
larger and larger, getting big companies to adopt our
technology, etc. I've written about it recently here (scroll
http://www.jabber.org/journal/2005-08-24.shtml
Hope that helps,
Peter
--
Peter Saint-Andre
Jabber Software Foundation
http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.shtml